Circumlocution: A Way Of Talking Around Something - General

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morgrimmoon <morgrimmoon@gmail.com> on 2017-06-15 03:46:01 wrote:

I think it may also depend on what parts of the internet you hang out with, and therefore the sort of flavour of ‘social justice’ you usually see. I mostly see positive applications with a few “please tell me that is either a joke or an overly-enthusiastic but ignorant teen who is trying Too Hard” outliers; the dialogue I’ve seen from others suggests they mostly encounter the extremists and only a few naive optimists swept along in their wake.

I’d gloss it as “attempts to rewrite perceived coercive aspects of culture via applied amateur memetics”.

Alistair Young <athanasius.skytower@arkane-systems.net> on 2017-06-18 14:41:30 wrote:

Hm. I’m not sure you could torture the Eldraeic equivalent to “coercion” enough (acts which violate the Principle of Consent) to make that work, but I’ll fiddle with it a bit.

morgrimmoon <morgrimmoon@gmail.com> on 2017-06-18 23:16:42 wrote:

Hm, that’s a good point. It’s coercion for us because humans are pack-social with strong peer norming instincts that can be used to drag others ‘into line’, but eldrae are immune to that. “Attempts to rewrite perceived discriminatory biases within cultures via applied amateur memetics”, maybe?

nweismuller <nweismuller@hotmail.com> on 2017-06-18 12:47:18 wrote:

I think I’d gloss ‘social justice’, as a theory, as ‘the doctrine that moral responsibility rests in groups rather than individuals’. This then logically implies the necessity for group-level outcomes to be enforced, as groups are the relevant moral actors under the theory. It seems rather less awkward than your formulation, while still fitting the source material.

Alistair Young <athanasius.skytower@arkane-systems.net> on 2017-06-18 14:47:43 wrote:

Hm, yeah, that could be a good one for theory vs. praxis, indeed.

nweismuller <nweismuller@hotmail.com> on 2017-06-22 12:59:32 wrote:

That would then, I think, make the praxis ‘the outcomes sought under a doctrine of collective moral responsibility’.

Specialist290 <carpentereli@outlook.com> on 2017-06-18 19:14:49 wrote:

That’s sort of what I was trying to go for with mine, although you put in a lot more of the essential nuance. I admit I like yours better.