# Eldraeic Word of the Day: Ulquordaëälathdar
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**Created:** [November 14, 2024, 6:20am UTC](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/t/eldraeic-word-of-the-day-ulquordaealathdar/3079 "2024-11-14T06:20:34Z")
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### Author:  [@avatar](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/u/avatar)
#### Post date: [November 14, 2024, 6:20am UTC](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/t/eldraeic-word-of-the-day-ulquordaealathdar/3079/1 "2024-11-14T06:20:34Z")
**ulquordaëälathdar:** (lit. “impossible-knowledge-person”, derog.) Agnostic; (Flamic) an adherent to the Agnostic Heresy; one who holds that certain or all knowledge cannot be known, i.e., is intrinsically unknowable, rather than simply _unknown_, or circumstantially unknowable due to lack of necessary epistemic tools or cognitive capacity.
from _ulquordaëlin _(“impossible”, itself from _ulquor_, the degree quantifier of absolute absence, and _daëlin_ “probability, chance”), _alath_ (“knowledge”) and _dar_ (“person”).
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This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at [https://eldraeverse.com/2017/06/14/eldraeic-word-of-the-day-ulquordaealathdar](https://eldraeverse.com/2017/06/14/eldraeic-word-of-the-day-ulquordaealathdar)
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### Author:  [@avatar](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/u/avatar)
#### Post date: [December 10, 2024, 4:26pm UTC](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/t/eldraeic-word-of-the-day-ulquordaealathdar/3079/2 "2024-12-10T16:26:05Z")
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> [@Specialist290 \ on 2017-06-15 22:13:49 wrote](#):
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> An interesting point of tension here: This seems to imply that all knowledge is knowable; other bits and pieces (such as the local attitudes toward the Mad Scientist) seem to imply that expanding the horizons of what is known collectively are laudable; yet anything and everything to do with Laryssan (cf. “The Dreaming Goddess” [The Dreaming Goddess](https://eldraeverse.com/2012/05/25/the-dreaming-goddess/) ) seems to imply that _actual_ total knowledge concentrated in one mind is dangerous.
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> > [@Alistair Young \ on 2017-06-15 23:26:32 wrote](#):
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> > The short form is that knowledge != foreknowledge, and even total knowledge doesn’t imply foreknowledge because of, first, indeterminacy, and second, paracausality.
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> > Strongly godlike entities would be, definitionally, exempt from that particular rule along with all the others.
> [@Khan \ on 2017-06-21 06:30:22 wrote](#):
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> And what do the eldrae have to say about Godel’s incompleteness theorem (emphasis on “theorem” - this is not just a question of philosophy/metaphysics) and the halting problem?
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> > [@Alistair Young \ on 2017-06-21 11:13:19 wrote](#):
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> > That while the former is _intensely annoying_, it is limited in its scope to certain classes of formal axiomatic systems and there is no particular reason to believe that reality as a whole (and thus reality-truth) is isomorphic to one of those.
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> > As for the halting problem, and the Church-Turing thesis in general, those apply specifically to Turing machines and Turing-equivalent machines. Since building a Halting Oracle is a simple task given a (canonical) acausal logic processor (whose existence as a form of hypercomputation is implied by any form of FTL communication), no-one _there_ is terribly exercised by that particular limitation. 😃
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### Author:  [@avatar](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/u/avatar)
#### Post date: [December 10, 2024, 4:26pm UTC](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/t/eldraeic-word-of-the-day-ulquordaealathdar/3079/3 "2024-12-10T16:26:05Z")