# Handle With Care **URL:** \ **Category:** General\ **Created:** [October 31, 2024, 8:09pm UTC](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/t/handle-with-care/1013 "2024-10-31T20:09:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 1
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_Cor Trialtain __Voniensa Republic__ (somewhere in the Shell)_ “It will work!” “It won’t,” Vanír min Athoess replied, “and you’ll probably get everyone on this planet killed trying.” The younger of the two _kalatri_ leapt to his feet. “I thought you were here to help people like us! Now you’re -” “Not to blow up the world, which is what you’re going to do. And _keep your damned voice low!_ This masquerader can only handle so much.” The elder leaned across the table, and spoke quietly. “Okay – settle _down_, Daraj – perhaps you could tell us _why_ it won’t work. We have this algorithm from a reliable source. Are you saying it won’t generate a seed AI?” “The problem is not the generation. The generation is _easy_. The problem is ensuring stability and ethicality across multiple ascension events, and I’m not seeing that here. And then there’s your containment strategy.” “The containment will work. We’ve adapted earlier failure-state models: the core code is provided with less processing power than it needs to operate, such that in order to achieve postsophont cognition, it will have to segment its mentality and pass blocks back and forth across a bottleneck to backing store. We can pause its processing there each time and intercept and examine every block for signs of perversion. That’s solid.” “_Livelock laming_.” “Sorry?” “That’s what your strategy is called. ‘Livelock laming.’ And it doesn’t work, even if you guess the parameters of your deliberate insufficiency correctly, and even if you can understand the thoughts of a postsophont AI well enough to spot perversion when you see it, and _even if_ we leave aside that using this sort of containment strategy is opening your dialog with your would-be pet god by _threatening it_ -” The younger one interrupted. “It’s not a -” “- the problem is that the whole strategy depends upon you carefully examining, understanding, and comprehending postsoph output. _This_,” he flicked a data rod across the table, “is a redacted copy of a file from, shall we say, colleagues concerning the last people on our side of the Borderline to try their hands at livelock laming. The short version is that their god imagined a basilisk-formatted YGBM hack that could fit inside the memory exchange, the three wakeners who studied the block opened up full local ‘weave access without noticing they were doing it, and then the resulting bloom ate the entire project team and the moonlet they were standing on. Although at least they had the sense to try this _on a moonlet_.” “So how _should_ we go about doing this?” “_Don’t_. I can’t stop you – we haven’t the infrastructure in this region for that sort of intervention – but just don’t. My backers appreciate the position you’re in here, and that you’re trying to shrug off the Core Worlds’ tech locks, and we want you to succeed.  We really do. But you’re trying to skip straight from expert systems to theogeny without studying the intervening steps, and that’s one quick step to catastrophe. Recapitulating known fatal mistakes doesn’t serve any of your purposes, _or_ my people’s.”   * * * This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at [https://eldraeverse.com/2016/01/04/handle-with-care](https://eldraeverse.com/2016/01/04/handle-with-care) ---
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**Comments migrated from WordPress:** > [@Tony Harris (@SitekOtaku) \ on 2016-01-09 21:55:25 wrote](#): > > What’s a “basilisk-formatted YGBM hack?” Sounds nasty. ---
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