# Hariven OP, Pls Nerf **URL:** \ **Category:** General\ **Tags:** starships\ **Created:** [August 8, 2022, 1:59pm UTC](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/t/hariven-op-pls-nerf/480 "2022-08-08T13:59:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Maximilian\_Crichton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e8c25b/32.png) [@Maximilian\_Crichton](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/u/Maximilian_Crichton)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2022, 1:59pm UTC](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/t/hariven-op-pls-nerf/480/1 "2022-08-08T13:59:59Z")
It gets a lot of well-deserved flak for existing within the Worlds, but if you plopped the plans for a Hariven on our Internet, we’d be swarming over the Solar System by the turn of the century. Even such a rundown wreck of a design is hilariously overpowered for our current level of spacefaring. Windowless hyperbolic transfers to anywhere in the Solar System? Check. Regenerative life support (we throw gas away)? Check. ISRU, just add water? Check. Comms lasers (we still use radio)? Check. Spacious hold (more than Starship, enough to hold JWST unfolded)? Check. Ridiculously high TWR for a transfer stage (why is even 0.6g considered gravity-well-incapable in the Worlds)? Check. So simple to draw it would instantly make its way into the dregs of low-effort visual media, and hence cultural immortality? Check, and extra points if you paint it blue. In such a timeline human spacers would be praising the holy box and the gifts it brings from far-flung worlds. ---
**Author:** ![Will\_Treaty\_1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/eldraeverse.discourse.group/will_treaty_1/32/80_2.png) [@Will\_Treaty\_1](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/u/Will_Treaty_1)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2022, 10:50pm UTC](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/t/hariven-op-pls-nerf/480/2 "2022-08-08T22:50:30Z")
Elon Musk might have an aneurysm at the prospect of having his company utterly overtaken by an apparent dark horse design. “That whooshing sound you hear? That’s the sound of SpaceX’s bottom line going up in smoke.” ---
**Author:** ![Maximilian\_Crichton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e8c25b/32.png) [@Maximilian\_Crichton](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/u/Maximilian_Crichton)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2022, 4:32am UTC](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/t/hariven-op-pls-nerf/480/3 "2022-08-10T04:32:27Z")
You say that as if he wouldn’t be the one re-tooling SpaceX to shit out Harivens by the mucker-ton. It’s even made out of steel! ---
**Author:** ![Henry\_Quirk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/eldraeverse.discourse.group/henry_quirk/32/169_2.png) [@Henry\_Quirk](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/u/Henry_Quirk)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2022, 6:46pm UTC](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/t/hariven-op-pls-nerf/480/4 "2022-10-11T18:46:12Z")
I asked AY about the _steel box with a plasma torch welded on the back_ back in '17. What he described was, and still is, damn-near perfect. _Abner Munson, owner/operator of the Hariven-class, ‘Make Do’…_ _“Yeah, she ain’t pretty, but she’s soild; she ain’t fast, but she’s reliable: I’ll get your crap from ‘here’ to ‘there’, no worries.”_ _…and…_ _“When you gotta make do with what you got (little currency) and your crap has to get there (eventually), let Munson’s Hauling be your go-to solution. Moving crap is what I do. Moving crap is ALL I do. Let me move your crap.”_ _…and…_ _“Have Hariven; will haul (your crap).”_ ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/free1/uploads/eldraeverse/original/1X/f0a8360c9a935763e7a8d4077c61b6c9a9dd9142.jpeg) _Make Do_ (minus radiators [and other details]) in Lego ---
**Author:** ![Maximilian\_Crichton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e8c25b/32.png) [@Maximilian\_Crichton](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/u/Maximilian_Crichton)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2022, 7:09am UTC](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/t/hariven-op-pls-nerf/480/5 "2022-10-12T07:09:00Z")
My mind’s eye did not take not of the dimensions and envisioned a very squat Hariven, this certainly revises my expectations! I’ll also add that you can try sourcing for those LEGO ISS panels if you desperately must have radiators ---
**Author:** ![Henry\_Quirk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/eldraeverse.discourse.group/henry_quirk/32/169_2.png) [@Henry\_Quirk](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/u/Henry_Quirk)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2022, 11:11am UTC](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/t/hariven-op-pls-nerf/480/6 "2022-10-12T11:11:23Z")
Here’s a take by a _real artist_ type of person… ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/free1/uploads/eldraeverse/original/1X/5fe444a97f9cf9e4958a99975f9f89e9b2e389b9.jpeg) It’s not perfect (the size is wrong, the hatch is aligned wrong, and I don’t know if that’s a true fusion drive or an advanced _putt-putt_ affixed to the ass end). The lego version is a little off too, the cargo box bein’ just a touch longer than it should be. > this certainly revises my expectations! For the better or worse? * * * Made for a crew of three; can be flown by one: 👍 Fly where and when _you_ like. Better stick to the Rim Free Zone, just to be _safe_. Made to burn deuterium; can take any fusible: 👍 Sometimes there ain’t no water around and you gotta make do. Made from _cheap_ material; can be patched up by a neanderthal: 👍 Not everyone is a genengineered super person. Made with only the basic flight control; fewer distractions while flyin’: 👍 Who needs to know what the current _now_ is? Especially just after exitin’ the Stargate? Them kind folks in traffic control can tell you the date. ---
**Author:** ![Maximilian\_Crichton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e8c25b/32.png) [@Maximilian\_Crichton](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/u/Maximilian_Crichton)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2022, 7:25am UTC](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/t/hariven-op-pls-nerf/480/7 "2022-10-16T07:25:40Z")
> [@Henry\_Quirk](#): > > For the better or worse? Yes. ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​