# Trope-a-Day: Harmony Versus Discipline

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**Created:** [October 31, 2024, 2:31pm UTC](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/t/trope-a-day-harmony-versus-discipline/939 "2024-10-31T14:31:56Z")\
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_**[Harmony Versus Discipline](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HarmonyVersusDiscipline?ref=eldraeverse.com):**_ Discipline, all the way.

The essential thesis of the (Imperial mainstream) Church of the Flame, after all – and that of several related secular schools of ethics – is that _the universe is fundamentally broken_, and the job of sophoncy is, essentially, to learn to emulate the abstract incarnations of perfect principles by way of discovering how, and then to use that (science, progress, agorism-capitalism, engineering, art, and tireless pursuit of awesomeness) to take the universe apart and put it together _better_.&nbsp; Perfected.&nbsp; In short, to immanentize the eschaton.

The notion that nature knows best and should be accepted as it is doesn’t appear on their radar anywhere.

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This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at [https://eldraeverse.com/2014/06/24/trope-a-day-harmony-versus-discipline](https://eldraeverse.com/2014/06/24/trope-a-day-harmony-versus-discipline)