# What Does An Imperial With ADHD Look Like? **URL:** \ **Category:** General\ **Created:** [March 26, 2024, 2:09pm UTC](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/t/what-does-an-imperial-with-adhd-look-like/690 "2024-03-26T14:09:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![zakueins](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/eldraeverse.discourse.group/zakueins/32/65_2.png) [@zakueins](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/u/zakueins)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 2:09pm UTC](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/t/what-does-an-imperial-with-adhd-look-like/690/1 "2024-03-26T14:09:21Z")
Well, they might look like [Frieren](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Manga/FrierenBeyondJourneysEnd) does… …seriously, she needs a muse. Or an elf-to-human translator. “He’s showing affectionate/flirtation behavior with you, and I recommend mild reciprocity and making a decision _this_ decade…” ---
**Author:** ![Maximilian\_Crichton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e8c25b/32.png) [@Maximilian\_Crichton](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/u/Maximilian_Crichton)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 3:21am UTC](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/t/what-does-an-imperial-with-adhd-look-like/690/2 "2024-04-08T03:21:04Z")
In all seriousness, I’m toying with creating a muse to aid my own struggles in this area ---
**Author:** ![Maximilian\_Crichton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e8c25b/32.png) [@Maximilian\_Crichton](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/u/Maximilian_Crichton)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2024, 3:43am UTC](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/t/what-does-an-imperial-with-adhd-look-like/690/3 "2024-04-09T03:43:55Z")
They probably wouldn’t call it ADHD though. I’m sure whoever has chosen to have such a large ratio of processing power to working memory chooses it for a very specific reason to fit the lifestyle / goals they want ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Kenny](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/eldraeverse.discourse.group/scott_kenny/32/226_2.png) [@Scott\_Kenny](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/u/Scott_Kenny)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 6:59am UTC](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/t/what-does-an-imperial-with-adhd-look-like/690/4 "2024-04-10T06:59:34Z")
IIRC, the modal (math-speak for most common) Imperial would probably get tagged as monomanic in modern Human terms. Not bipolar/Manic-depressive, because they don’t have the depressive swings. And honestly, since one of the markers of ADHD is reversed response to stimulants (caffeine makes you slow down), I suspect that the Imperials have done the work to make everyone’s brain work the same way in regards to neurotransmitters. ---
**Author:** ![january1may](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/0ea827/32.png) [@january1may](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/u/january1may)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 9:38pm UTC](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/t/what-does-an-imperial-with-adhd-look-like/690/5 "2024-04-10T21:38:06Z")
> [@Scott\_Kenny](#): > > IIRC, the modal (math-speak for most common) Imperial would probably get tagged as monomanic in modern Human terms. Not bipolar/Manic-depressive, because they don’t have the depressive swings. I believe I’ve seen it described as specifically _hypo_manic somewhere, but I forgot where… Probably not fully manic, and AFAICT they’re usually not single-focused enough to count as _mono_manic. (Being quite hypomanic myself, I find it funny to imagine the Imperials as having temperaments similar to mine. Though I assume they’re probably actually _a lot_ less outwardly cheerful - plausibly appearing as stoic to humans. Vaguely recall _that_ being discussed somewhere as well, and again I forgot where…) > [@Scott\_Kenny](#): > > And honestly, since one of the markers of ADHD is reversed response to stimulants (caffeine makes you slow down), I suspect that the Imperials have done the work to make everyone’s brain work the same way in regards to neurotransmitters. I agree that they’d probably make sure to unify that kind of thing! My own (possibly mistaken) impression is that they’d probably make sure to avoid too much neurodivergence-compared-to-average in earlier times, then as sophotech evolves they’ll start experimenting with _new_ interesting neurotypes - but probably mostly not in the specific directions corresponding to the kinds of neurodivergence that occur naturally in humans. OTOH it’s possible that the time window between “enough sophotech to fix neurodivergence” and “enough sophotech to make interesting new neurodivergence” would probably be quite short if existent at all, and between that and the likely holdouts against the former, it’s possible that we could end up in a situation kind of like the one with the eldrae phenotypes, where the pre-existing options as of whatever time the ability-to-change-it-at-will becomes common get enshrined as the usual defaults. …as a side-note, most of the above applies specifically to the eldrae, and the many many non-eldrae Imperial species would of course have completely different standards for what qualifies as neurotypical and consequently as neurodivergent. (Though I suspect that most of them would be even _less_ human-like in that regard.) ---
**Author:** ![Maximilian\_Crichton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e8c25b/32.png) [@Maximilian\_Crichton](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/u/Maximilian_Crichton)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2024, 2:43am UTC](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/t/what-does-an-imperial-with-adhd-look-like/690/6 "2024-04-11T02:43:12Z")
> [@Scott\_Kenny](#): > > And honestly, since one of the markers of ADHD is reversed response to stimulants (caffeine makes you slow down), I suspect that the Imperials have done the work to make everyone’s brain work the same way in regards to neurotransmitters. that sounds very un-Imperial in the way it flattens out diversity of thought. I’m pretty sure the more likely outcome is that they wrote the manual on exactly how to tweak ones’ neurons’ neurotransmitter response curves the way one likes, and work contracts the Worlds over started including neurochemistry competency clauses ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Kenny](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/eldraeverse.discourse.group/scott_kenny/32/226_2.png) [@Scott\_Kenny](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/u/Scott_Kenny)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2024, 10:20am UTC](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/t/what-does-an-imperial-with-adhd-look-like/690/7 "2024-04-12T10:20:25Z")
It’s one thing to tweak how responsive your brain is to the standard signalling chemicals. It’s a whole different issue to have the some Imperial brains operating _the exact opposite of the majority_ in response to certain chemicals (stimulants make the ADHD mind slow down, depressants make it speed up). That is just grossly complicating your medical work, when _it is not safe_ to give the ADHD the usual meds! ---
**Author:** ![Maximilian\_Crichton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e8c25b/32.png) [@Maximilian\_Crichton](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/u/Maximilian_Crichton)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2024, 1:37pm UTC](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/t/what-does-an-imperial-with-adhd-look-like/690/8 "2024-04-13T13:37:30Z")
I believe that falls under the category of “one’s own damn business”, as far as medical effects are concerned. If a soph wants to be bass-ackwards as far as medical physiology is concerned, I’d think whatever constitutes a medical authority kindly prints them out a list of potential consequences and does a collective shrug. Besides, not safe is kind of an exaggeration, isn’t it? From personal experience neither coffee nor alcohol nor ritalin have reduced me to irrationality or zeroed out my executive function ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Kenny](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/eldraeverse.discourse.group/scott_kenny/32/226_2.png) [@Scott\_Kenny](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/u/Scott_Kenny)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2024, 7:15am UTC](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/t/what-does-an-imperial-with-adhd-look-like/690/9 "2024-04-14T07:15:22Z")
And what happens with emergency treatments, and now we’re dealing with reversed reactions on top of whatever put you into the ER? No thank you. If we can edit our uptake profiles so that I can turn on the hyperfixation on details at will, I want my neurochemistry reacting the same way to stims and depressants as the modal human. ---
**Author:** ![Maximilian\_Crichton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e8c25b/32.png) [@Maximilian\_Crichton](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/u/Maximilian_Crichton)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2024, 7:34am UTC](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/t/what-does-an-imperial-with-adhd-look-like/690/10 "2024-04-14T07:34:24Z")
Sure, but that’s like, your opinion man. ---
**Author:** ![avatar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/eldraeverse.discourse.group/avatar/32/2_2.png) [@avatar](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/u/avatar)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2024, 4:36pm UTC](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/t/what-does-an-imperial-with-adhd-look-like/690/11 "2024-04-20T16:36:01Z")
> [@january1may](#): > > I believe I’ve seen it described as specifically _hypo_manic somewhere, but I forgot where… Probably not fully manic, and AFAICT they’re usually not single-focused enough to count as _mono_manic. The eldraeic default temperament would usually read to humans as surfing a wave of euphoric hypomania - expressed somewhat differently in areas because of fundamental differences in psychological structure, but close enough for a first-order approximation. (Of course, norms are relative, so effectively this is another way to say that humans read to them as basically being marsh-wiggles on Mogadon.) > [@](#): > > (Being quite hypomanic myself, I find it funny to imagine the Imperials as having temperaments similar to mine. Though I assume they’re probably actually _a lot_ less outwardly cheerful - plausibly appearing as stoic to humans. Vaguely recall _that_ being discussed somewhere as well, and again I forgot where…) Ah, sort of, and I feel that this is one of those areas where my portrayal has been less than adequate. Although the best is perhaps the discussion of the [paradox of passion and reason](https://eldraeverse.com/2016/03/25/balances/). To sum up: Imperial culture prizes _self-control_, for reasons which, in their historical ultimate, boil down to “people in possession of great personal power much of which is of a kind that translates the will directly to the deed cannot, absolutely _cannot_, afford to lose it”. And the virtue of _talcoríëf_ teaches reason, and not allowing your passions to override your ability to think. (But when you have made a reasoned decision, your passions should then empower you in its execution.) In times of stress and difficulty, what they teach is the good old stiff upper lip. But that’s not really Straw Vulcan-style stoicism; the stiff upper lip and all that is a defense mechanism against fear and despair that works by making light of them and their causes and not letting them become a contagion. But there is not a general stoic aversion to emotional expressivity, and indeed I’d argue that they’re much healthier about that than Earth culture is. The grieving may grieve uncriticised, and the joyful may express joy and delight without fear of a culture that demands things only be enjoyed with your ironic detachment card on display. (See the famous C S Lewis quote on [childish things](https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/145718-when-i-was-ten-i-read-fairy-tales-in-secret), and the post I have not got around to making, _Considering Cringe Considered Cringe_.) People are allowed to feel, and express feeling, just not to be unreflectively controlled by it. ---
**Author:** ![avatar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/eldraeverse.discourse.group/avatar/32/2_2.png) [@avatar](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/u/avatar)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2024, 6:47pm UTC](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/t/what-does-an-imperial-with-adhd-look-like/690/12 "2024-04-21T18:47:59Z")
> [@Scott\_Kenny](#): > > And honestly, since one of the markers of ADHD is reversed response to stimulants (caffeine makes you slow down), I suspect that the Imperials have done the work to make everyone’s brain work the same way in regards to neurotransmitters. Although not a universal one. Goodness knows the two of us in my household are poster children for adult-ADHD diagnoses and neither of us can be more than approximately functional without a good old mug of wake-up juice. That said, Universal Noetic Architecture did do this in the process of converting brains into virtual machines capable of executing mind-states in such a way that you could download without taking hours to slowly shuffle synapses around and teach neurons how to fire. > [@january1may](#): > > My own (possibly mistaken) impression is that they’d probably make sure to avoid too much neurodivergence-compared-to-average in earlier times, then as sophotech evolves they’ll start experimenting with _new_ interesting neurotypes - but probably mostly not in the specific directions corresponding to the kinds of neurodivergence that occur naturally in humans. Insofar as there was a consensus position on neurodivergence, it’s that the blind idiot god of evolution is continuing to try to make a better brain by flailing around and trying things at random. It is therefore vitally important to _study_ these things lest you accidentally pick the wrong answer to the very important question: is this one of the failed experiments, or is this one of the ones which added two and two and got superpowers? (I mean, even schizotypal disorders are products of brain evolution trying to invent better pattern recognition and creativity, both of which product high returns right up until you pass the critical point at which improvement tips over into elaborate proofs that the moon men are using chemtrails to spread COVID-19, opposed by the European lizard-monarchies who want to mind-control you with their 5G-powered nanite vaccines.) ((One imagines that ISS/Admiralty intelligence used to occasionally hire these types as “pre-analysts”, on the grounds that they’re awesome at pulling faint patterns and anomalies out of large data sets. It’s just that that’s when you have to hand them over to the neurotypical analysts before you start launching operations to infiltrate the London Underground.)) But you don’t want to accidentally throw away anything _useful_… ---
**Author:** ![january1may](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/0ea827/32.png) [@january1may](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/u/january1may)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2024, 8:03pm UTC](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/t/what-does-an-imperial-with-adhd-look-like/690/13 "2024-04-21T20:03:33Z")
> [@avatar](#): > > One imagines that ISS/Admiralty intelligence used to occasionally hire these types as “pre-analysts”, on the grounds that they’re awesome at pulling faint patterns and anomalies out of large data sets. It’s just that that’s when you have to hand them over to the neurotypical analysts before you start launching operations to infiltrate the London Underground. …I’ve seen A Beautiful Mind and I imagine it probably looks a lot like that. Minus the whole self-injury thing, and probably with better safeguards against going _too_ deep into self-deception. ---
**Author:** ![zakueins](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/eldraeverse.discourse.group/zakueins/32/65_2.png) [@zakueins](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/u/zakueins)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2024, 10:25pm UTC](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/t/what-does-an-imperial-with-adhd-look-like/690/14 "2024-04-23T22:25:38Z")
…so, which particular Directorate would get in trouble with SOE Q Division, aka [The Laundry](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheLaundryFiles), about how the London Underground’s actual layout is something that _shouldn’t_ exist in any way, shape or form… > [@avatar](#): > > ((One imagines that ISS/Admiralty intelligence used to occasionally hire these types as “pre-analysts”, on the grounds that they’re awesome at pulling faint patterns and anomalies out of large data sets. It’s just that that’s when you have to hand them over to the neurotypical analysts before you start launching operations to infiltrate the London Underground.)) ---
**Author:** ![JHPrime](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/eldraeverse.discourse.group/jhprime/32/54_2.png) [@JHPrime](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/u/JHPrime)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 2:00am UTC](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/t/what-does-an-imperial-with-adhd-look-like/690/15 "2024-04-26T02:00:38Z")
I’d think probably the fifth - “elder gods” seems to fit the remit of the doom PWG very well ---
**Author:** ![avatar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/eldraeverse.discourse.group/avatar/32/2_2.png) [@avatar](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/u/avatar)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 3:20am UTC](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/t/what-does-an-imperial-with-adhd-look-like/690/16 "2024-04-26T03:20:45Z")
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