# What's That Soph? **URL:** \ **Category:** General\ **Created:** [November 6, 2024, 4:17pm UTC](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/t/whats-that-soph/1944 "2024-11-06T16:17:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 1
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So, I hear you like demographics. Or, at least, the comments on the last post tell me you like demographics. Describing the constituent species of the Empire can be a mite tricky, depending on exactly how you define things – leaving aside any nasty outworlder prejudices about the status of neogens or uplifts, some species – relevantly, the _mezuar_ and _chiril-{n,m}_, don’t have identities which lend themselves to headcount, and thus various approximations must be used. And complicating things further, of course, is that the Empire’s immigration procedures don’t give a lump of species-appropriate excretions what species you happen to be, which leads to, oh, just over 8% of the population being “other”. But given that, here’s the rough breakdown in a nice, user-friendly pie chart: And here is the same data in a table, giving you what those percentages translate to in terms of approximate population numbers out of the Empire’s roughly 2.57 trillion sophonts: eldrae 12.54% 322,278,000,000 arthál neogen 0.31% 7,967,000,000 chfsssc 2.48% 63,736,000,000 chiril-{n,m} unconventional identity 0.36% 9,252,000,000 ciseflish 9.14% 234,898,000,000 dar-bandal uplift 7.65% 196,605,000,000 dar-célmek uplift 1.10% 28,270,000,000 dar-cúlnó uplift 2.26% 58,082,000,000 dar-e’sevdra uplift 1.83% 47,031,000,000 dar-ííche uplift 3.36% 86,352,000,000 dar-vorac uplift 2.15% 55,255,000,000 digisapience 14.56% 374,192,000,000 esseli 3.31% 85,067,000,000 galari 7.28% 187,096,000,000 kaeth 6.74% 173,218,000,000 mezuar unconventional identity 1.39% 35,723,000,000 myneni 4.91% 126,187,000,000 selyéva 2.78% 71,446,000,000 sssc!haaaouú 3.92% 100,744,000,000 temísi neogen 0.49% 12,593,000,000 verviani 2.69% 69,133,000,000 zal!en neogen 0.43% 11,051,000,000 other 8.32% 213,824,000,000 You may note that even the arthál, with the smallest demographic footprint due to their relatively recent creation and source population of fandom enthusiastic enough to _change species_, still manage to outpopulate _Earth_. And that with 173 billion kaeth around… well, let’s just say the Legions don’t have _any_ trouble recruiting. * * * This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at [https://eldraeverse.com/2019/07/04/whats-that-soph](https://eldraeverse.com/2019/07/04/whats-that-soph) ---
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**Comments migrated from WordPress:** > [@Scott \ on 2019-07-04 20:25:53 wrote](#): > > I’m a bit surprised that there are more digisapiences than ethnic Eldrae! I mean, yeah, the IN needs lots and lots of them for AKV pilots, but still! > > > [@Max \ on 2019-07-05 12:02:25 wrote](#): > > > > I’m quite surprised it’s only 12%, I remember reading that 3 out of 5 sophonts in the Empire were digisapiences somewhere. > > > > > [@Alistair Young \ on 2019-07-05 13:13:31 wrote](#): > > > > > > To clarify: > > > > > > This is a count of _embodied_ population. If you were wondering why there aren’t a lot more digisapiences, this is why - that, and once people go for The Big Upload, it’s increasingly meaningless to draw lines between the people of machine ascent and the ex-squishies. In fact, the quiddity of perpetual infomorphs tends to get all kinds of fuzzy in ways that would make them very hard to count even if you wanted to. > > > > > > It also excludes certain special cases like the Ocean of Souls, the Singing Planet, and all expediters, coadjutors, exarchs, axis subminds, archai and other bits of the Transcend on the fairly reasonable grounds that their quiddities and thus identities are entirely beyond mortal-phase comprehension anyway. > > > > > > > [@Solid State Entity \ on 2019-07-06 12:51:19 wrote](#): > > > > > > > > What are the ‘Ocean of Souls, the Singing Planet, and all expediters, coadjutors, exarchs, axis subminds, archai and other bits of the Transcend’? They all sound fantastic. > > > > > > > [@Scott \ on 2019-07-10 23:54:42 wrote](#): > > > > > > > > Ah, oops. > > > > > > > > Though I guess it would be a little hard to count the number of digisapiences lurking on the 'net… > > > > > > > > Now, about those AKV pilots, would they count as being embodied while ‘in’ the AKV, or do starships have some bodies for AKV Wing use out of their AKVs? > [@Soph \ on 2019-07-06 01:41:42 wrote](#): > > Intriguing. Would you elaborate chfsssc, selyéva, sssc!haaaouú and verviani? > > > [@Buggy \ on 2019-07-06 04:59:46 wrote](#): > > > > The Chfsssc are a race (probably) based on silicon biology, with molten-lava body temperatures. They’ve only shown up once or twice, such as here: [A Megaton of Prevention](https://eldraeverse.com/2015/01/14/a-megaton-of-prevention/) > > > > Don’t recall the others off the top of my head, but I think the sssc!haaaouú are the only ones that have appeared at all. > > > > > [@Soph \ on 2019-07-06 05:24:23 wrote](#): > > > > > > And chiril-{n,m}, I lapsed this one. > > > [@driagledd \ on 2019-07-06 07:33:31 wrote](#): > > > > I’d settle for a pronunciation guide XD > > > > But yes, more information on the different species that make up the Empire would always be welcome. > [@Soph \ on 2019-07-06 01:46:28 wrote](#): > > And mezuar and myneni, if you feel generous. > I also wonder which species are the most technologically advanced aside from Eldrae themselves. I wish to see articles detailing each clade/culture group within the Empire, but I think it would be a long way to go. > > > [@Soph \ on 2019-07-06 12:28:29 wrote](#): > > > > I mean, the species _within_ the Empire. I’m aware that Photon Network is the second most advanced next to the Empire. > > > [@Alistair Young \ on 2019-07-06 13:18:30 wrote](#): > > > > It’s a single civilization. No difference in advancement. > > > > > [@Soph \ on 2019-07-06 13:43:01 wrote](#): > > > > > > I suppose each member species excel at a certain sphere? > > > > > > > [@Max \ on 2019-07-07 03:26:08 wrote](#): > > > > > > > > Considering how easy it is to change bioshells, I’d argue that the count here reads more like a census of the breakdown of the types of jeans sophs prefer than of anything sociologically substantial. > > > > > > > > > [@Eurekas \ on 2019-07-07 05:19:13 wrote](#): > > > > > > > > > > I think it still has sociological significance. Since, well, majority of citizens will not (at least permanently) change the shells they are born with. > > > > > > > > > [@Alistair Young \ on 2019-07-07 13:18:54 wrote](#): > > > > > > > > > > As a general rule, while cladism is one thing, it’s generally considered in bad tastes - although not unknown, and obviously outside exceptional circumstances - to go around wearing a different sophont species. > > > > > > > > > > (Apart from anything else, you tend to look like a schmuck through ignorance of the subleties.) > > > > > > > > > > > [@specialist290 \ on 2019-07-12 17:48:23 wrote](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > Are any allowances made for those who consider their own species of birth to be “dysmorphic” or “not ‘me’?” > [@Specialist290 \ on 2019-07-06 08:25:17 wrote](#): > > > some species – relevantly, the mezuar and chiril-{n,m}, don’t have identities which lend themselves to headcount, and thus various approximations must be used. > > How are species like these handled by the Empire itself for, say, the apportionment of things like the Citizen’s Dividend? > > > [@Alistair Young \ on 2019-07-06 11:44:41 wrote](#): > > > > Using a race-specific formula derived in strict accordance with the procedures laid down in manual URCS/OBDR-9432 “Protocol Design for Identity Token Management for Sophonts of Fractal and Collegiate Identity”. > > > > What’s in that manual? Buggered if I know. I’m not nearly as smart as the sophs on the Philosophically Hard Problems Working Group. > > > > (I mean, I could make some guesses, but I prefer not to commit myself to making the PHP-WG look like a bunch of baseline-grade idjits.) > > > > > [@Solid State Entity \ on 2019-07-06 12:49:57 wrote](#): > > > > > > Do the species such as chfsssc and verviani have exceptionally slow rate of procreation? I’m also a little surprised low percentage of esseli, who are masters of biotechnology. > > > > > > BTW, how the Empire counts species with ‘unconventional identity’? ---
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