# When The Universe Tries To Block, Show It That You Rock! **URL:** \ **Category:** General\ **Created:** [November 8, 2024, 6:21am UTC](https://eldraeverse.discourse.group/t/when-the-universe-tries-to-block-show-it-that-you-rock/2341 "2024-11-08T06:21:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 1
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> I’ll admit that I’ve been bandying this question around in my brain for a bit, but I’ve almost been afraid to ask it simply because of the magnitude of the matters involved themselves, but here goes: > > If, after all is said and done — all the Science has been scienced; every nut, bolt, and fundamental particle has been accounted for in both position and momentum; every possible problem and impediment except the Very Last One has been surmounted, and the Empire has root access to the very source code of the Universe — it turns out that Perfect Liberty and Perfect Negentropy are fundamentally incompatible… well, what happens next? Easy. Punch a hole out of the universe into the embedding brane and its primordial cacoastrum, step outside, and then tear down the universe and build a new, improved, all-around better one where they _are_ fundamentally compatible! ([With blackjack! And hookers!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGi6Q1pNbS0&ref=eldraeverse.com)) And if the _bulk_ isn’t going to play ball, then they’ll just have to figure out how to tear down and replace that _too._ Failure Is Not An Option. (And, after all, we already have one major negentropic event to work from, and what has been done? Can be done.)   * * * This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at [https://eldraeverse.com/2016/09/01/when-the-universe-tries-to-block-show-it-that-you-rock](https://eldraeverse.com/2016/09/01/when-the-universe-tries-to-block-show-it-that-you-rock) ---
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**Comments migrated from WordPress:** > [@Specialist290 \ on 2016-09-01 18:48:01 wrote](#): > > And if it turns out to be turtles all the way down? 😉 > > > [@Alistair Young \ on 2016-09-01 18:48:43 wrote](#): > > > > Turtles that had better learn to do as they are told, dammit! 🙂 > [@Specialist290 \ on 2016-09-01 19:03:48 wrote](#): > > More to the point, and more seriously: If it honestly did come to a point where the only viable option for defeating entropy is to create a computing network so dense that the resulting entity would effectively be a “Universe Brain” where the required network density demands that everyone (or a significantly large fraction of the whole, at least) effectively merge into a hive superconsciousness to even have a reasonable chance, with no “third option” presenting itself no matter how many layers of the onion you peel: > > Uno: How many Imperials would be willing to _willingly_ and _voluntarily_ sacrifice their own pre-Fusion personality to construct the thing; and > > Dos: What would be the appropriate response to those who _wouldn’t_ be willing to do so if not enough people volunteered? > > > [@Alistair Young \ on 2016-09-01 20:48:34 wrote](#): > > > > On the latter: Well, you know how their ethics run by now, and the Imperial culture tends towards the Rorschach view on ethical adherence: “No. Not even in the face of Armageddon. Never compromise.” > > > > On the former: Mu. The question is unanswerable. With the best will in the world, I can’t predict what the culture I’m writing about “now” might do trillions to **decillions** of years downtime in the face of conditions I can’t find particularly plausible. (I am, you may have noticed, not a great believer in no-win scenarios. Only hard-to-win scenarios.) > > > > The best I can give you is my thoughts on the spirit with which such an end might be faced, in the form of my favorite Giambattista Marino quotation: > > > > _“We fought against the empire of heaven. We were - that I will not deny - vanquished in that conflict: yet the great intention was not lacking in nobility. Something or other gave them victory; to us remains the glory of a dauntless daring. And even if my troop fell thence vanquished, yet to have attempted a lofty enterprise is still a trophy.”_ > > > > > [@Specialist290 \ on 2016-09-02 12:51:20 wrote](#): > > > > > > Fair enough. > > > [@Alistair Young \ on 2016-09-01 20:53:08 wrote](#): > > > > (Especially, I should probably add, when for “culture” in this plus-aeons scenario, one could equally well read “_deus est machina_ with brain the size of a galactic supercluster”.) > [@Specialist290 \ on 2016-09-01 19:19:22 wrote](#): > > (I’m sure you’ve probably noticed by now that I rather enjoy playing Devil’s Advocate 😛 ) ---
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